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Students Critique Woodward's Interview With Obama

Bob Woodward

Lesson time 18:31 min

Bob and a group of students from his Yale journalism seminar analyze his interview with President Barack Obama about his decisions in war.

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We're now going to discuss an interview I did with President Obama about his decisions in war for the book I did of Obama's Wars, and we've got clips galore. Yes. Chris, go ahead. I was talking to Axelrod about linchpin moments, and I've identified, unfortunately, 72, OK. And I have-- I'm worried about the ones .. This will be like Jeopardy. That's right. Quick answers. But there's, you know, it's such a serious matter, and clearly what emerges from the record is you've given it serious attention, to say the least. Correct. Two days after you're elected, McConnell, who's then DNI, comes with the CIA man, Mike Morell, and they brief you in Chicago, give you, kind of, the first real look at the deep intelligence secrets. What was your reaction after that briefing? They-- I'm just going to-- I know that you and Robert talked about this-- Yes. --but I'm just going to preface this answer, with, sir, a general view of how I'm going to approach this interview, Robert. Yes, sir. And that is that the-- you have commentary, or reporting on specific conversations, specific dates, et cetera. My job as President is not going to be to corroborate or dispute particular comments. We didn't get to 72, and it was an hour and 15 minutes. But he says, I'm not going to corroborate, and then-- if you've gone through the transcript-- he does. He actually can't help himself. But now, put yourself in my shoes. You send in all these questions, which he's read, his staff has gone-- pored over in detail, and he says, oh, you have better sources than I do. And then he even goes so far as saying, have you ever thought of becoming CIA director? It was not a job offer. But I left the interview thinking, he's corroborated all of these-- all 72. There was one he kind of half-disputed, so I got what I needed. And this is the nice system of talking to people and getting documents. And those 72 linchpin moments come from those documents. He insists so many times throughout this interview, my job is to provide you mindset, details, you know-- that's not a question for me. What was the purpose, then, of sending him such a technical set of questions? It doesn't feel, to me, as though it's an emotional, what were you feeling, interview. It's much more of a like, this happened, I'm going to, you know? OK, but I did ask him, what did you feel? And what was your reaction when you first had to decide to send troops into harm's way? And he said, you know, that's the hardest thing he does. But that was one of 72. Very good question, and the answer is, I know how the White House works. And I learned because I got to spend 18 months working the Obama White House. And how it works is, somebody sends questions in like this, and the President has agreed to do the interview, and they have lots of staff people going through the top-secret ...

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Liz C.

I did not realize who Bob Woodward was until the class introduction, and picturing of "The President's Men." I FINALLY had the opportunity to see the movie just a week ago. (Yes, ... a week ago.) I have wanted to read the book and watch the movie for many years. I should have majored in Journalism. I started as a music major, got distracted with marriage and children, then finally got a bachelor's degree in Paralegal Studies. I took a Journalism class in High School and wrote about 50 articles. Then I wrote many more while in college. I wrote 50 articles for the online version of The Examiner. I emailed President George Bush (no response) and sent at least 2 emails to Barrack Obama - 2 responses, and an email to State Representative Todd Smith (received a letter response on that one). Online, The Examiner closed down. I was busy looking for a job that paid enough money to survive. I am currently way off on my goals. I am working on a project - between work hours. My project is very close to my job location. I have taken pictures and video with my phone. A news channel once intercepted one of my videos from my phone to ask permission for usge. I did not think I put my video out for the public to see. It was on my phone, My phone has broken several times and I have lost valuable footage. I have passively interviewed several people regarding my topic and received a few interesting comments and admissions. One person stating, "Well, yes, you are right." Bob Woodward has my dream job. I am thrilled to find this class. Hopefully this information will help me complete my project. Thank you so much Bob Woodward for your time.

A fellow student

Love these lesson where students are involved! Please do more of this style in upcoming MasterClasses.

Francisco D.

BW is an journalistic institution himself. And there are numerous nuggets, broad and deep, philosophical and practical, across all these lessons thus far. These students, in particular the woman on the far right, are showing great potential by asking questions of BW with great conviction, journalistic integraty, and authentic interest. I can see that young woman on the right becoming a leading reporter—congrats, and thanks for the lessons.

Josh F.

1. These are journalism students. They get the sense of an 'awkward' interview because they are inserting their own apprehensions into the experience: 'Oh if that were me, I'd be so awkward'. It's their perception. 2. The student on the right, I've forgotten her name, asks excellent questions. She really seems to drill down to the important or interesting bits. The question on 'awkward' interviews is very relevant as it leads BW to later remind them: if you want to be friends, find another job. So it's an important question, leading to discussions on technique, on how to work the subject. Fascinating stuff.

Will S.

I did not find the interview to be awkward at all...I don't know why the student actors here are saying this, or where they're getting this idea from..

A fellow student

I've kept personal diaries since 1981. Wrote about Presidents, diplomats from Croatia, Germany, Austria, Chile and Norway, but I never dreamed anyone would actually STEAL them from my bedroom in a million years??? And I'm still not sure exactly which relative is behind this and might even be the whole bunch of them because a man at the I HOP pancake house whispered to me in a tip, "You have a very GREEDY family." Later learned a lot of my personal stories were used in a South Park episode, and several well known movies with a major Irish star who I will not mention since I have to have proof first. I feel so betrayed that I want to leave LA and move far far away to a distant land like Crystal City Virginia where I stayed before in the 80's at the Hilton Hotel. They even have a bus which takes you to that beautiful gleaming white Crystal City Mall which I just loved. I also want to check out Fredricksberg Virgnia as well. I guess I just like to be where all the action is and I do have a habit of bumping into famous people (diplomats and Presidents of countries) in the strangest places, but mainly airports. But sadly, I decided to stop keeping journals for awhile or else look for a good storage place aroun d here and good a safety lock to put on it. I'm just worried ti could be in danger for the personal romances I also wrote about. Hey! 20 and 30 yr olds do keep romance journals folks. Anyway in case i offended like half the nation, my apologies and next time when keeping my diaries I will make sure to exclude the subject's real name and use a fake name to disguise his I.D. I'm even resorting to changing my name on Monday at the DMV and no one gets my last name right anyway. It's RUBINSON but they always called me ROBINSON?????

Pamela K.

I am a journalist/author and I didn't find the Obama/Woodward conversation "awkward" or "uncomfortable" at all. Both men are professionals -- Obama knows Woodward is coming in to interview him (the Watergate Guy!), and is a seasoned public figure (he's the President, for gosh sake!) I wonder if maybe the younger generation isn't used to having a back and forth conversation? A lot of time is spent text/emailing? Maybe they're uncomfortable speaking face to face with another person? (Not sure.) I didn't find Woodward pushy at all... esp when you watch the cable stations with people screaming at one another.

Kimberly S.

Discretion or deception? You be the judge.

Karan S.

"If you want to be friends, go find another job" Lines to live by in this profession.

Ross P.

The cool thing about this class is the elements and values are replicable in other areas. "If you want to be friends, go find another job." Same "pushy" attitude could be used for directing which is what I do.