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The Writer’s Workshop: “Indian Camp”

Joyce Carol Oates

Lesson time 12:22 min

Joyce and two of her students—Lindsey Skillen and Corey Arnold—read from Ernest Hemingway’s story “Indian Camp.” They review the work as they would in one of Joyce’s collegiate or graduate classes.

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[MUSIC PLAYING] - This is Lindsay, and this is Corey, and each of them has written a story for today. We'll be taking up Lindsay's story first. Then we'll take up Corey's story. But first we're going to talk about a classic famous American story by Ernest Hemingway called "Indian Camp." So this story has all the quintessential elements of a classic Hemingway story, the nature of the style, the movement of the story, the pacing, what is put in, and particularly what's left out, what is implicit, what's implied. Just a minimum of characters-- no last names, characters who are related to one another in ways that might be a little bit mysterious. But if you read it carefully, you can figure it out. So people who are used to reading a story by Henry James, Edith Wharton, reading this story-- or Willa Cather-- reading this story, the average reader might have really wondered what it was about. And the average reader at that time would have felt the ending was just totally almost shocking, because it's so abrupt. And readers at that time were used to a more rounded ending. Readers were used to being told what to think. And in a story by most of Hemingway's contemporaries, the characters in this story, at least one of the characters, would have certain thoughts that would tell the reader what to think. Hemingway leaves all that out, and he leaves a lot of things out. Therefore, though he wrote the story a long time ago, it still is very contemporary. In some ways, it seems completely contemporary of our time. So just anything you want to say about the story as a reading experience? - Just in general, it just makes me think about how much Hemingway trusts his reader to kind of co-create the story alongside him, which is true of most of his stories that I've read. And it strikes me that that takes a lot of confidence in your reader, because-- and you have to relinquish some control there and leave room for misinterpretations and things. I think maybe as young writers-- I know this is a problem for me-- you want to have-- you want to direct somebody's emotional response very closely. And if you write in a style, that's just not a possibility, or it's less of a possibility, I would say. - Yeah, that's a very good point that he trusts his readers to read carefully. So you really have to read the story more than once. Hemingway is-- Hemingway's easy to read, but he's not easy to understand. - Yeah. - And the famous Hemingway dialogue seems as if it's natural, but it's really stylized, and people don't-- don't actually talk that way at all. It's a very sort of almost like a postmodernist sort of appropriation of how people talk, but it's not really literal. So we noticed the vocabulary is scaled down, so it could be the vocabulary of a boy about eight or nine. I think that's how old he is. I love that beginning. "At the lakeshore, there was another rowboat drawn up," period. "The two Indians stood waiting." It's j...


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Comments

Vangelis P.

Sorry, here it is https://archive.org/stream/IndianCampErnestHemingway_661/IndianCampByErnestHemingway_djvu.txt

Vangelis P.

For those who, like me, can't find the story https://www.google.gr/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJ-LGGuP_jAhVM2qQKHXLSD0kQzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgenius.com%2FErnest-hemingway-indian-camp-annotated&psig=AOvVaw2zPJcm30CcPrzEnZA8e1qe&ust=1565771644013889

Debra

I've read and enjoyed Hemingway's stories and one of his novels. This story I hadn't read before, but it didn't strike me at all that Uncle George was the father of the baby; I found that an odd interpretation of the details of the story. I, like another commenter, thought it was a custom that the father is also present to ward off evil spirits. His suicide could've been because of his wife's extreme and torturous labor. I was mildly shocked at the doctor bringing his son, but considered the time period and the social lack of consideration of the Indians as deserving of privacy and respect.

A fellow student

If the Stepford Wives had children this is what they would sound like. They are so programmed they can’t even discuss this classic short story without genuflecting to social justice themes. The tragic irony here is that after JCO is gone they’re going to condemn every writer that ever inspired her.

Madeleine

For the life of me I can't find Indian Camp to download, I'm going on memory. I'm not a fan of Hemingway or Hemingway’s so-called “iceberg technique” or theory of omission. Convinced of his superlative writing skills, Hemingway limited his narratives to one tenth (an eighth by his miscalculation) of the story, insisting the reader could infer the unsaid. His theory cuts no ice with me. “Indian Camp” for example, is prefaced by an unrelated vignette about a drunken battery of soldiers trudging through France. What follows? A boy decides to remain immortal after he witnesses his father perform a C-section with a jack-knife and no anaesthetic, then suture the incision with a fish hook, all the while impervious to the mother’s screams and the father’s suicide. The reader is left bewildered because Hemingway neglects to mention couvade, the custom of a father taking to his bed during childbirth to protect his wife and child from evil spirits, and, in this case, his subsequent suicide to focus the spirits’ evil intentions on himself, not his family. True to form, nine tenths of the narrative is missing, lacks authorial comment or reflection, and is not so much lean or spare as incomplete. Exploring this understated style, scholars have dived below the surface to dredge up symbolism galore, despite Hemingway’s denial that he wrote symbolically. Perhaps “Indian Camp” is simply about racism and misogyny; do with it what you will. According to Stephen King, “Hemingway sucks. If I set out to write that way, it would have been hollow and lifeless because it wasn't me.” from King Stephen. The Rolling Stone Interview. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/stephen-king-the-rolling-stone-interview-201410319#ixzz3LUF0BTCI. 9 Dec. 2014. Now that I've seen and heard this workshop I'll find the story, reread it and see if I can concur with Joyce and her students. I never assumed the Indian had been cuckolded and that George was the father. I supposed it was a certain curiosity he felt as a white man he could indulge, but I realize I'm delving below the surface of the story beyond the exposed floating iceberg. That a doctor took his son on his round does not seem unusual to me, perhaps even less so because they were going to an Indian camp where the patient's privacy was of little import--if I can allow myself to read into the action--part of that unrevealed nine tenths of the story!

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Nancy C.

Reading "Indian Camp", I completely missed the point that George is the father of the baby. The fact that he lit the cigar, didn't signal to me that he was celebrating. Are there any other lines that signify George is actually the father, and that's why the Indian husband committed suicide?